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  1. Nice. Can’t wait to see what comes out of this meeting. I think this meeting is a step in the right direction but…we’ll see.

    A wise man once said “Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘Nice doggie’ until you can find a rock.”

  2. Dude… you’re wrong. MS is going to come up with a better way of securing their XAP’s and then there will be no reason to allow homebrew.

  3. The “truth” is unknown at this point. This is a smart team. We certainly wouldn’t have that many people in the room if we weren’t serious about understanding how to better serve this community. The Chevron team has been acting in good faith, and as stewards of the community.

    Actions speak louder than words, so hopefully the community can see how we have been acting and start to believe that we are working to try and achieve everyones’ goals, not just our own. Our success is predicated on the long term health and success of the developer community.

    1. “Stewards of the community”? Translation: They jailbroke WP7, and agreed to play nice, so MS is scrambling not to generate bad PR.

      Save everyone a lot of grief and just developer-unlock WP7 en masse.

    2. I think that it is great that your team and the management overseeing your development understand the importance of these communities. It’s ashame to see the massive efforts other companies in this area place in a cat and mouse chase to block out developers. To see Microsoft putting that type of effort to work with developers instead of limiting them will help the platform grow more rapidly and reward the developers for their efforts.

      Best of luck in your meetings with the Chevron team and continue the great progress with WP7. Windows Mobile has had to come a long way and has many hurdles on it’s horizon and it’s great to see a dedicated team listening and working with the community.

  4. Microsoft is smart for listening. Apple can learn a lesson here.
    I’m speaking from a few years of iPhone jailbreaking experience and a year of Android rooting experience.
    Microsoft won’t break from it’s decades long conservative approach. But sitting with hackers to understand where they’re coming from, why they want to hack etc is brilliant.

  5. So did Microsoft hire you all to be on the team to stop jailbreaking? if they didn’t they probably should have, because you guys are good.

  6. LOL…… that is so funny.
    But why do you jailbreak WP7 when there is Android where these type of procedures are not needed?

    1. Ricardo,

      Thanks, no they haven’t hired us. We’re working for the community here trying to achieve more out of the platform for everyone.

    2. Because many developers want the bost of both worlds. They’d like to be able to develop and deploy homebrew software, while having an outlet to sell their work if/when it makes sense, without worrying about pirates. While it’s not hard to jailbreak Android, it’s also very easy to steal other developers work by pirating. It sounds like this meeting is trying to find a way to get one without the other.

    3. Android is so fragmented that you confused, use wp7 makes the difference, since android is for the more horrific in the market, it is very boring, is a ugly copy of the iphone and this gives hope to wp7 already that if this shit sells, the more you’ll sell wp7 is year higher light

  7. “We’re working for the community here trying to achieve more out of the platform for everyone.”

    That is some of the BEST news I’ve heard in a long, long time. Windows Phone 7, while being very late to the game, is an incredible platform and deserves much more attention than it’s currently receiving. Better yet, get some folks that are outside of MS to give feedback, insight, and (personal) direction where warranted — just like what you’re doing right now! Keep the WP7 momentum going… :)

  8. I’d like to think this was going somewhere, It’d be great to get genuine homebrew software out there in the open, with all the unofficial API goodness that would bring. But at the end of the day, you can only allow so much if you insist on preventing piracy (and it’s legit developer base seem pretty militant about that), meaning there’ll always be some point where homebrew will cross a line.

    It’s not Microsoft’s fault. It’s the conflicting interests of homebrew and paying developers, and it’s no surprise to see them come down on the side of the latter.

  9. I hope that you guys also hit them on the studpidness of the whole ringtone situation!
    I know that you could add it using a program which you guys released with chevronwp7, but really now, the less stupid that wp7 has, the more likely it will be successful.

  10. Nice T-shirt. You guys deserved it.
    I hope finally Microsoft will allow developer to install xap to Windows Phone 7 without jailbreaking it.

  11. This is definitely a step in the right direction. And this approach definitely makes sense.

    Instead of getting pissy and making a terrible image for themselves, Microsoft took the initiative to talk to the people that wanted to and DID break into there OS. Being friendly towards the people who can and will break your software, to allow to improve future versions to not be hacked so easily is a smart move.

    But there is no such thing as an unbreakable system…. Might as well generate a good image while your at it…

  12. As a developer and a user I don’t want piracy to ruin the market for WP7 and cause other developers (and eventually Microsoft) to abandon the platform.

    On the other hand I like the ability to build and run my own app on the phone without having to pay Microsoft the $100/year, if it’s only for my own private use.

    I do not expect anything to change in the foreseeable future. I suppose it’s possible they can implement a new system for the larger update later this year, but I’m not holding my breath.

  13. Since Chris Walsh is here: where are those screenshots for the next WP7 update and why did you think the addition of copy/paste was significant enough to call it WP8?

  14. Big Microsoft fan but think WP7 has a long way to go. Alot of basic functions do not exist in the first release of the OS and im not just talking about copy/paste or backup/restore functionality (fundimentals). I know the copy/paste and backup/restore will be in the update and this is great but cant help wonder why they were not there in the first place? they are not features but fundimental to the OS.

    A personal request would be to add skip forward/backwards functionality to media player that can be adjusted by the user in settings 1,3,5,10,15 minutes etc as watching movies with the in-built player is pretty useless if you need to skip, restart the movie etc.

    Keep up the good work.

    1. Good critique Paddy. Like you said, its a work in the making.

      Features missing:

      - integrated messenger (with FB chat pls). Any chance to make this work like Whatsapp, TinyText, Pingchat, TextMe etc? Messages being pushed to the phone, without the need for having an app open. Use the “Messages” tile for notifications (as it could be used for text- or Windows Live Messenger messages)
      - Multi tasking
      - Copy & Paste
      - Integration with Skydrive, OWA & Photos

      Am sure a lot of people can make this list (a whole lot) longer. But I think this would make a good start.

  15. Here’s why I don’t get the whole concept of locking an operating system. What do you think Microsoft’s market share would be if they had applied this to their desktop platforms?

    And yes, there is software piracy, but if no one were making money legitimately, the software manufacturers and developers would have found another line of work.

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  17. microsoft will not sue chevronwp7 because , micorosft , unlike others learn from their mistakes , that is why their office 2010 is still uncrackable

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