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	<title>Comments on: Tabbles gives you a bite-sized taste of WinFS</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Lusaka</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-128424</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lusaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to check out liquidFOLDERS, that looks like a more complete implementation of WinFS. They don&#039;t seem to be limited to tags, but seem to do all sorts of interesting things with file visualization.
-Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to check out liquidFOLDERS, that looks like a more complete implementation of WinFS. They don&#8217;t seem to be limited to tags, but seem to do all sorts of interesting things with file visualization.<br />
-Mike</p>
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		<title>By: A peek in to Cairo and how Microsoft plans Windows &#124; IT.beta</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-126838</link>
		<dc:creator>A peek in to Cairo and how Microsoft plans Windows &#124; IT.beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] queries&#8221; &#8211; ideas later reanimated as part of the Longhorn WinFS vision but still not fully realized 17 years later even though the problem has been and is still relevant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] queries&#8221; &#8211; ideas later reanimated as part of the Longhorn WinFS vision but still not fully realized 17 years later even though the problem has been and is still relevant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A peek in to Cairo and how Microsoft plans Windows &#124; Windows 7</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-126729</link>
		<dc:creator>A peek in to Cairo and how Microsoft plans Windows &#124; Windows 7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] queries&#8221; &#8211; ideas later reanimated as part of the Longhorn WinFS vision but still not fully realized 17 years later even though the problem has been and is still relevant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] queries&#8221; &#8211; ideas later reanimated as part of the Longhorn WinFS vision but still not fully realized 17 years later even though the problem has been and is still relevant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A peek in to Cairo and how Microsoft plans Windows &#8211; istartedsomething</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-126726</link>
		<dc:creator>A peek in to Cairo and how Microsoft plans Windows &#8211; istartedsomething</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] queries&#8221; &#8211; ideas later reanimated as part of the Longhorn WinFS vision but still not fully realized 17 years later even though the problem has been and is still relevant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] queries&#8221; &#8211; ideas later reanimated as part of the Longhorn WinFS vision but still not fully realized 17 years later even though the problem has been and is still relevant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tabbles: A WinFS-Like App</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-124842</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabbles: A WinFS-Like App</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Long Zheng recently uncovered an app called “Tabbles” which brings some of the features of the now canceled WinFS project back to Windows. Created by a small dev firm, this application lets you organize your desktop files via “tags and relationships,” says Zheng, via “a relational file management tool designed for the Web 2.0-era.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Long Zheng recently uncovered an app called “Tabbles” which brings some of the features of the now canceled WinFS project back to Windows. Created by a small dev firm, this application lets you organize your desktop files via “tags and relationships,” says Zheng, via “a relational file management tool designed for the Web 2.0-era.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea D'Intino</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-123364</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea D'Intino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel,

you&#039;re making a lot of interesting points in your comment. We agree on most of it - the part about the speech recognition and AR is maybe a bit too far away. We believe that indexing is useful but often not precise enough to tag objects, therefore we&#039;re relying 100% on the user&#039;s activity to tag the files (tagging themselves + auto-tagging based on name/location and more....).  

While writing this I&#039;m checking your blog - amazingly interesting stuff! What we believe is that (at least for the next years) semantic can go up to certain level in &quot;understanding&quot;, and thus categorizing contents, therefore &quot;manual&quot; categorization will (always) be needed...

Anyway, we&#039;d LOVE to hear what you think of our GUI and the solution we found to make Tabbles as straightforward as possible. The GUI is indeed crucial for our project, cause among the main challenges was to produce a &quot;2 dimensional file-manager&quot; - meaning that relations can be both vertical (father/child = container/containee) and horizontal (needed for objects with similar characteristics but not in the same folder) - where file-managers are traditionally &quot;1 dimensional&quot;. 
Tabbles does now allow you to navigate both vertically and horizontally with the exact same UX: it dynamically generates a tree of tabbles (virtual folders) depending on what you&#039;re looking at, and placing the static children (objects contained) and the dynamic children (objects related but far away) on the same level.

Well, enough babbling for today I guess - we&#039;d be really happy to hear your opinion and to send you a license or two (please drop us a line using the contact form on tabbles.net!).

Thanks,

Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel,</p>
<p>you&#8217;re making a lot of interesting points in your comment. We agree on most of it &#8211; the part about the speech recognition and AR is maybe a bit too far away. We believe that indexing is useful but often not precise enough to tag objects, therefore we&#8217;re relying 100% on the user&#8217;s activity to tag the files (tagging themselves + auto-tagging based on name/location and more&#8230;.).  </p>
<p>While writing this I&#8217;m checking your blog &#8211; amazingly interesting stuff! What we believe is that (at least for the next years) semantic can go up to certain level in &#8220;understanding&#8221;, and thus categorizing contents, therefore &#8220;manual&#8221; categorization will (always) be needed&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, we&#8217;d LOVE to hear what you think of our GUI and the solution we found to make Tabbles as straightforward as possible. The GUI is indeed crucial for our project, cause among the main challenges was to produce a &#8220;2 dimensional file-manager&#8221; &#8211; meaning that relations can be both vertical (father/child = container/containee) and horizontal (needed for objects with similar characteristics but not in the same folder) &#8211; where file-managers are traditionally &#8220;1 dimensional&#8221;.<br />
Tabbles does now allow you to navigate both vertically and horizontally with the exact same UX: it dynamically generates a tree of tabbles (virtual folders) depending on what you&#8217;re looking at, and placing the static children (objects contained) and the dynamic children (objects related but far away) on the same level.</p>
<p>Well, enough babbling for today I guess &#8211; we&#8217;d be really happy to hear your opinion and to send you a license or two (please drop us a line using the contact form on tabbles.net!).</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: Insomniac</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-123347</link>
		<dc:creator>Insomniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Daniel,
Its been sometime!
Any hints of MS targeting something like this in Win8? Libraries in 7 are only touching the surface.
So much more needs to be done. First they need to Unify contacts with a local store that syncs all and can be used to maintain document Authors and contact status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Daniel,<br />
Its been sometime!<br />
Any hints of MS targeting something like this in Win8? Libraries in 7 are only touching the surface.<br />
So much more needs to be done. First they need to Unify contacts with a local store that syncs all and can be used to maintain document Authors and contact status.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kornev</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-123230</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kornev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s rather a problem of a more complex approach. And the problem of Tabbles, Windows 7 Libraries, WinFS is in the old-school Desktop Metaphor used for informaiton organization in the computers. Files, folders, virtual folders.

They all have a notion of folder/container that has some content inside. You need to remember what this container has inside without opening it, and you have to remember it&#039;s exact location in other container/containers. 

Automatic tagging involves semantic computing, which itself turns into the need for object-relational DB where you could be able to store information about relationships between information entities that you should extract from stored data. And to capture these entities, you need to make indexing. Essentially, WinFS was exactly that thing - object-relational DB with indexing + processing of relationships extraction etc. Though internal organization of that system was not perfect (it was a belief that actual entities should be stored, without notion of context in which they are to be used - &quot;one schema for all&quot;). Anyway, having semantics extracted from your personal/web data is not enough - you need then to build an entirely new User Interface on top of it; and here comes the need to make that UI as much natural as possible. That should involve touch, speech recognition, gestures, maybe augmented reality effects. 

And there is a lot of work to be put into this area, to make the turn to the Non-Desktop Metaphors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s rather a problem of a more complex approach. And the problem of Tabbles, Windows 7 Libraries, WinFS is in the old-school Desktop Metaphor used for informaiton organization in the computers. Files, folders, virtual folders.</p>
<p>They all have a notion of folder/container that has some content inside. You need to remember what this container has inside without opening it, and you have to remember it&#8217;s exact location in other container/containers. </p>
<p>Automatic tagging involves semantic computing, which itself turns into the need for object-relational DB where you could be able to store information about relationships between information entities that you should extract from stored data. And to capture these entities, you need to make indexing. Essentially, WinFS was exactly that thing &#8211; object-relational DB with indexing + processing of relationships extraction etc. Though internal organization of that system was not perfect (it was a belief that actual entities should be stored, without notion of context in which they are to be used &#8211; &#8220;one schema for all&#8221;). Anyway, having semantics extracted from your personal/web data is not enough &#8211; you need then to build an entirely new User Interface on top of it; and here comes the need to make that UI as much natural as possible. That should involve touch, speech recognition, gestures, maybe augmented reality effects. </p>
<p>And there is a lot of work to be put into this area, to make the turn to the Non-Desktop Metaphors.</p>
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		<title>By: DotNetShoutout</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-123207</link>
		<dc:creator>DotNetShoutout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tabbles gives you a bite-sized taste of WinFS...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Andre Da Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100403/tabbles-gives-you-a-bite-sized-taste-of-winfs/#comment-123185</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre Da Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interface looks like it needs Clearasil. That bit of iTunes metal with the dots just looks too sore. Not knocking the developers, but when Microsoft spoke about relational file system in WinFS, they meant a whole lot more than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interface looks like it needs Clearasil. That bit of iTunes metal with the dots just looks too sore. Not knocking the developers, but when Microsoft spoke about relational file system in WinFS, they meant a whole lot more than this.</p>
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