Comments on: MIX09: Windows Mobile 6.5 shows more polish http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/ All the stuff about Microsoft and technology you haven't read anywhere else. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:51:57 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Aristotles http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-71193 Aristotles Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:03:57 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-71193 @Surur: Silverlight is no more an native API for Windows mobile than Flash would be. It is just another language that you can use but there is no additional exposed functionality from the OS that one can target as one normally would with the standard SDK. You seem to be confused as to what platform API is. Widget platform? Oh, you mean web apps packaged in a zip file. Again, that offers no additional functionality from Microsoft to build native apps quickly that leverage new features in Windows Mobile 6.5. You have to either write your own javascript or leverage third-party libraries but either way a lot of coding is involved just to setup a working UI prototype. Widgets have been around for a long time and are no substitute for real applications/games. Microsoft supplies a very bare bones environment and does not seem to be willing to share their libraries and controls with their community. Developers are forced to either license code/controls from third-parties at additional cost or build their own and neither of these solutions contribute to UI behaviour/appearance consistency and are a barrier for entry into the market for startups. @Surur: Silverlight is no more an native API for Windows mobile than Flash would be. It is just another language that you can use but there is no additional exposed functionality from the OS that one can target as one normally would with the standard SDK. You seem to be confused as to what platform API is.

Widget platform? Oh, you mean web apps packaged in a zip file. Again, that offers no additional functionality from Microsoft to build native apps quickly that leverage new features in Windows Mobile 6.5. You have to either write your own javascript or leverage third-party libraries but either way a lot of coding is involved just to setup a working UI prototype. Widgets have been around for a long time and are no substitute for real applications/games.

Microsoft supplies a very bare bones environment and does not seem to be willing to share their libraries and controls with their community. Developers are forced to either license code/controls from third-parties at additional cost or build their own and neither of these solutions contribute to UI behaviour/appearance consistency and are a barrier for entry into the market for startups.

]]> By: Surur http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-71164 Surur Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:54:56 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-71164 @Aristotles You seemed to have missed the widget platform, which is certainly a new, but industry compliant, development for windows mobile which will in fact make life easier for developers. In addition there are other developments like Silverlight Mobile on the way which will be useful as a presentation layer. http://blogs.msdn.com/giorgio/archive/2008/04/06/silverlight-for-mobile-todayscreen-plugin.aspx So yes, in fact new api's are coming to Windows Mobile. @Aristotles
You seemed to have missed the widget platform, which is certainly a new, but industry compliant, development for windows mobile which will in fact make life easier for developers. In addition there are other developments like Silverlight Mobile on the way which will be useful as a presentation layer.
http://blogs.msdn.com/giorgio/archive/2008/04/06/silverlight-for-mobil e-todayscreen-plugin.aspx

So yes, in fact new api’s are coming to Windows Mobile.

]]> By: Aristotles http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-71159 Aristotles Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:12:14 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-71159 All of this polish seems like too little too late. @Surur: What is MSFT offering for the developer to make their job easier? Are they releasing new APIs? Are they releasing new frameworks libraries developers can leverage? People can argue all day about the walled garden until the cows come home but the facts show that people are buying apps on the Apple appstore in droves and some developers are making a lot of money. Microsoft started out with a decent idea years ago when they first released windows CE/Mobile but they seem to have lost their way. Apple not only provides rich developer tools for free but a rich set of application frameworks to make developing certain features a snap. They also offer a low barrier for entry by only charging 99 dollars per year and publishing free applications for free on their store. These factors are what is driving the exodus away from Windows mobile and the new 3.0 release will offer even more apis for developers to make use of. Microsoft needs to stop focusing on cosmetic changes and start working on creating useful apis and controls for third-party developers to use. A good start would be to release what they currently use for Windows mobile and IE for windows mobile as published APIs and controls for developers to use in their own apps. All of this polish seems like too little too late.
@Surur: What is MSFT offering for the developer to make their job easier? Are they releasing new APIs? Are they releasing new frameworks libraries developers can leverage? People can argue all day about the walled garden until the cows come home but the facts show that people are buying apps on the Apple appstore in droves and some developers are making a lot of money.

Microsoft started out with a decent idea years ago when they first released windows CE/Mobile but they seem to have lost their way.

Apple not only provides rich developer tools for free but a rich set of application frameworks to make developing certain features a snap. They also offer a low barrier for entry by only charging 99 dollars per year and publishing free applications for free on their store. These factors are what is driving the exodus away from Windows mobile and the new 3.0 release will offer even more apis for developers to make use of.

Microsoft needs to stop focusing on cosmetic changes and start working on creating useful apis and controls for third-party developers to use. A good start would be to release what they currently use for Windows mobile and IE for windows mobile as published APIs and controls for developers to use in their own apps.

]]> By: tom http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70957 tom Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:52:36 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70957 @wreid, "Sorry but, I have no reason to do that since I don’t live in Australia and thus care not for Australian news." I guess ignorance is bliss... @wreid,

“Sorry but, I have no reason to do that since I don’t live in Australia and thus care not for Australian news.”

I guess ignorance is bliss…

]]> By: wreiad http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70931 wreiad Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:01:48 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70931 @ Rane What lag? @ Rane

What lag?

]]> By: Rane http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70900 Rane Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:12:18 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70900 Looks good. Altho...my main problem with WinMo and touchscreen device still is....responsiveness ! Its clear that navigation still lacks that smoothness and responsiveness the Iphone has (an example) - theres still quite a bit of lag. Without owning an Iphone (and generally not liking Apples products), i must say that this one feature needs to work great for me. Looks good. Altho…my main problem with WinMo and touchscreen device still is….responsiveness ! Its clear that navigation still lacks that smoothness and responsiveness the Iphone has (an example) – theres still quite a bit of lag. Without owning an Iphone (and generally not liking Apples products), i must say that this one feature needs to work great for me.

]]> By: wreiad http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70894 wreiad Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:58:43 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70894 Sorry but, I have no reason to do that since I don't live in Australia and thus care not for Australian news. Sorry but, I have no reason to do that since I don’t live in Australia and thus care not for Australian news.

]]> By: tom http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70892 tom Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:51:49 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70892 “Very very nice implementation of flash support in Internet Explorer for Windows mobile” go to smh.com.au with a Flash Enabled mobile browser and see if a) you actually manage to load the entire page without everything slowing to snails pace and b) the constant scrolling around the screen drives you insane... oh please make sure it's not the crippled mobile site but their actual internet site. “Very very nice implementation of flash support in Internet Explorer for Windows mobile”
go to smh.com.au with a Flash Enabled mobile browser and see if a) you actually manage to load the entire page without everything slowing to snails pace and b) the constant scrolling around the screen drives you insane… oh please make sure it’s not the crippled mobile site but their actual internet site.

]]> By: wreiad http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70888 wreiad Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:52:03 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70888 "To the end user there is now difference between browser or device… they would say it’s too slow." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_9RweAYyA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpocketnow%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fs%3D2&feature=player_embedded "I agree that you need to listen to your customers but you also need to make sure that the customer experience is great." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_9RweAYyA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpocketnow%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fs%3D2&feature=player_embedded "Very very nice implementation of flash support in Internet Explorer for Windows mobile" “To the end user there is now difference between browser or device… they would say it’s too slow.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_9RweAYyA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpocketnow %2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fs%3D2&feature=player_embedded

“I agree that you need to listen to your customers but you also need to make sure that the customer experience is great.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_9RweAYyA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpocketnow %2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fs%3D2&feature=player_embedded

“Very very nice implementation of flash support in Internet Explorer for Windows mobile”

]]> By: tom http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090320/mix09-windows-mobile-65-shows-more-polish/#comment-70881 tom Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:05:16 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3481#comment-70881 "It’s not the browser. It’s the device." To the end user there is now difference between browser or device... they would say it's too slow. "Secondly, people want that functionality." Ever seen the Simpsons episode were Homer designs a car which includes all the features and functionality he wants in a car? I agree that you need to listen to your customers but you also need to make sure that the customer experience is great. “It’s not the browser. It’s the device.”
To the end user there is now difference between browser or device… they would say it’s too slow.

“Secondly, people want that functionality.”
Ever seen the Simpsons episode were Homer designs a car which includes all the features and functionality he wants in a car? I agree that you need to listen to your customers but you also need to make sure that the customer experience is great.

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