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	<title>Comments on: Second Windows 7 beta UAC security flaw: malware can silently self-elevate with default UAC policy</title>
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		<title>By: ebo</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-121065</link>
		<dc:creator>ebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike:

It&#039;s not a bona fide &quot;vulnerability,&quot; per se.  It&#039;s the default setting for UAC in Windows 7, which is Microsoft&#039;s response to customer complaints.  There is a fix for anyone who wants it; all you have to do is turn it back up to &quot;always notify.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a bona fide &#8220;vulnerability,&#8221; per se.  It&#8217;s the default setting for UAC in Windows 7, which is Microsoft&#8217;s response to customer complaints.  There is a fix for anyone who wants it; all you have to do is turn it back up to &#8220;always notify.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-115598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, has this been completely fixed in the release version? There must have been a reason that the folks at Windows left this in, especially considering that they were aware of it way ahead of time. Still, even in beta, I am pretty disturbed that they would leave open a known malware (www.sophos.net) injection point, especially on an OS that was not stably running most security options. What is to be gained from this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, has this been completely fixed in the release version? There must have been a reason that the folks at Windows left this in, especially considering that they were aware of it way ahead of time. Still, even in beta, I am pretty disturbed that they would leave open a known malware (www.sophos.net) injection point, especially on an OS that was not stably running most security options. What is to be gained from this?</p>
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		<title>By: malware</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-112766</link>
		<dc:creator>malware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emo, I think you have some great points......and to confess, I am a switch-hitter. At home I use a mac, at work I use a Windows PC. I love both, and am a little worried about what that makes me. 
Anyway, I think the point of Windows 7 was that it was harnessing Web 2.0 power into transforming the platform by addressing the issues circulated by this and other blogs. Calling out Long for drawing attention to this problem in the beta phase defeats the purpose of Windows 7. 
Windows was looking to social media platforms- blogs specifically- for editors who would use a lot of red pen. Sunshine and butterflies, win7rules, do no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emo, I think you have some great points&#8230;&#8230;and to confess, I am a switch-hitter. At home I use a mac, at work I use a Windows PC. I love both, and am a little worried about what that makes me.<br />
Anyway, I think the point of Windows 7 was that it was harnessing Web 2.0 power into transforming the platform by addressing the issues circulated by this and other blogs. Calling out Long for drawing attention to this problem in the beta phase defeats the purpose of Windows 7.<br />
Windows was looking to social media platforms- blogs specifically- for editors who would use a lot of red pen. Sunshine and butterflies, win7rules, do no good.</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft's UAC: A change in philosophy from Vista to Windows 7? &#124; IT Security &#124; TechRepublic.com</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-112734</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft's UAC: A change in philosophy from Vista to Windows 7? &#124; IT Security &#124; TechRepublic.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] experts concerned. Especially, after researchers Rafael Rivera and Long Zheng developed two &#8220;proof of concept&#8221; programs, one disables UAC and the other uses UAC&#8217;s auto-elevation to self-elevate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] experts concerned. Especially, after researchers Rafael Rivera and Long Zheng developed two &#8220;proof of concept&#8221; programs, one disables UAC and the other uses UAC&#8217;s auto-elevation to self-elevate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ebo</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-77269</link>
		<dc:creator>ebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter if you&#039;ve been using Windows for the last 20 years; things change.  Apple was once bigger than Microsoft.  When Windows XP was released in 2001, we didn&#039;t have drive-by downloads.  Since late 2004 and early 2005, drive-by downloads have been everywhere.  With their very next operating system, Microsoft addressed the problem with assertion.  Those who point out that UAC has more to do with driver signing than security are correct; DEP and ASLR are just a couple of the real mitigations working against Web-based threats, and I&#039;m still waiting to see a remote exploit surmount them.

That said, Linux is hardly a solution.  Just in case you try the rebuttal that every Linux fanboy under the sun can conjure up on the fly, and claim that your grandmother has been using Linux for years with no problem; I&#039;m going to say that I don&#039;t know your grandmother, and that mine could not use Linux.  Not only is she lacking in savvy, but she also uses applications that do not run under Wine, and for which there are no open source alternatives.  MailWasher Pro is just one of them.  And even if Quicken, Family Tree Maker, and AnyTime Organizer all worked, and even if WordWeb could be installed and set to autostart; no one distro will run on all processors, or get online with all WiFi devices.  Not even Ubuntu will run on a Mobile Athlon 64 X2 TK-53.  Out of twelve different distros I tried on my Aspire 5050-5430, only three of them would actually boot.  Of those three, only PCLinuxOS detected my Broadcom WiFi chip, and yet it still couldn&#039;t get online with it.

Beyond that, one thing Unix-based operating systems have that Windows does NOT have is problems out of the box, before you ever install a third-party application or driver.  I will not trust Linux or Apple with a flashdrive unless I have a backup.  Run a portable application off a flashdrive for too long, or use too many devices at once (e.g. Targus USB mouse, PSC 1410, Kingston DataTraveler, WD Passport), and the USB subsystem will crash.  If you&#039;re really unlucky, your data will be zapped in the process.  And after the USB drivers crash the first time, they will crash inevitably every few hours afterward, until the OS is reinstalled.  Another issue that can happen without warning is when the icons in the panels rearrange themselves (e.g. clock on the left, quit button in the middle, launch buttons on the right, etc.).  And nobody seems to know what causes the problem; they just overlook it and continue to swear that Linux and Mac OS are (*cough*) MORE stable (*cough*) than Windows.

Another problem is the sleep bug.  If I leave Firefox open in a SINGLE tab and put a machine to sleep, it wakes right back up.  And this is not an anomaly; CNET actually has a tutorial to address the well-known flaw, advising you to unplug all peripherals, close all running applications, and log off all users.  RIDICULOUS!!!  I very frequently put Windows in standby with three or four applications open, and sometimes over ten tabs in Firefox, so I can get back to what I was working on later.  Standby is an indispensable function to me.  The biggest problem with Windows is not the registry, contrary to popular belief, but installing and uninstalling tens of applications (without terminating them first), installing a poorly-written program from a vendor who doesn&#039;t appear on download.com or anywhere else, or malware.  While a lot of Linux and Mac problems turn out to be &quot;phantom bugs&quot; that never get resolved in the forums, every Windows problem under the sun has been addressed (usually more than once), and is searchable through Google.  And with Vista and the upcoming Windows 7, you can once more surf the Web without merciless pummeling, even if you don&#039;t use antivirus.

Since drive-by downloads became such a big issue with Windows XP, a lot of people threw up their hands and emigrated because they couldn&#039;t figure out what to do about it, settling for the first platform that could get them online and let them check their e-mail without getting infected (unfortunately, Apple&#039;s market share is making it a target now, and the first PoC drive-by downloads have started to appear on the Web).  This is not an option to everyone; some people need more than an Internet appliance that can perform a small handful of misc. functions (and I&#039;ve already heard the BootCamp and Parallels arguments umpteen times; you just waste resources and HDD space when you could simply stick to the standard).  For XP and 2K users, there are now third-party tools that can block drive-by downloads, such as Norton, McAfee, LinkScanner, and the policy sandbox GeSWall.  Users who want to free up resources could just use the techiques at http://invincible-windows.blogspot.com/

Macs are expensive, and you can&#039;t upgrade the hardware like you can with a PC.  You can run any Windows application by adding Windows, or you could save money and get a PC.  Linux is one of the hardest platforms to use, out of the question for Average Joe.  @Shantanu Tushar, recommending Linux to geeks won&#039;t get you very far, because Linux isn&#039;t for geeks; it&#039;s for nerds.  Geeks have lives and girlfriends, and prefer productive equipment over tinker toys; geeks prefer to get things done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if you&#8217;ve been using Windows for the last 20 years; things change.  Apple was once bigger than Microsoft.  When Windows XP was released in 2001, we didn&#8217;t have drive-by downloads.  Since late 2004 and early 2005, drive-by downloads have been everywhere.  With their very next operating system, Microsoft addressed the problem with assertion.  Those who point out that UAC has more to do with driver signing than security are correct; DEP and ASLR are just a couple of the real mitigations working against Web-based threats, and I&#8217;m still waiting to see a remote exploit surmount them.</p>
<p>That said, Linux is hardly a solution.  Just in case you try the rebuttal that every Linux fanboy under the sun can conjure up on the fly, and claim that your grandmother has been using Linux for years with no problem; I&#8217;m going to say that I don&#8217;t know your grandmother, and that mine could not use Linux.  Not only is she lacking in savvy, but she also uses applications that do not run under Wine, and for which there are no open source alternatives.  MailWasher Pro is just one of them.  And even if Quicken, Family Tree Maker, and AnyTime Organizer all worked, and even if WordWeb could be installed and set to autostart; no one distro will run on all processors, or get online with all WiFi devices.  Not even Ubuntu will run on a Mobile Athlon 64 X2 TK-53.  Out of twelve different distros I tried on my Aspire 5050-5430, only three of them would actually boot.  Of those three, only PCLinuxOS detected my Broadcom WiFi chip, and yet it still couldn&#8217;t get online with it.</p>
<p>Beyond that, one thing Unix-based operating systems have that Windows does NOT have is problems out of the box, before you ever install a third-party application or driver.  I will not trust Linux or Apple with a flashdrive unless I have a backup.  Run a portable application off a flashdrive for too long, or use too many devices at once (e.g. Targus USB mouse, PSC 1410, Kingston DataTraveler, WD Passport), and the USB subsystem will crash.  If you&#8217;re really unlucky, your data will be zapped in the process.  And after the USB drivers crash the first time, they will crash inevitably every few hours afterward, until the OS is reinstalled.  Another issue that can happen without warning is when the icons in the panels rearrange themselves (e.g. clock on the left, quit button in the middle, launch buttons on the right, etc.).  And nobody seems to know what causes the problem; they just overlook it and continue to swear that Linux and Mac OS are (*cough*) MORE stable (*cough*) than Windows.</p>
<p>Another problem is the sleep bug.  If I leave Firefox open in a SINGLE tab and put a machine to sleep, it wakes right back up.  And this is not an anomaly; CNET actually has a tutorial to address the well-known flaw, advising you to unplug all peripherals, close all running applications, and log off all users.  RIDICULOUS!!!  I very frequently put Windows in standby with three or four applications open, and sometimes over ten tabs in Firefox, so I can get back to what I was working on later.  Standby is an indispensable function to me.  The biggest problem with Windows is not the registry, contrary to popular belief, but installing and uninstalling tens of applications (without terminating them first), installing a poorly-written program from a vendor who doesn&#8217;t appear on download.com or anywhere else, or malware.  While a lot of Linux and Mac problems turn out to be &#8220;phantom bugs&#8221; that never get resolved in the forums, every Windows problem under the sun has been addressed (usually more than once), and is searchable through Google.  And with Vista and the upcoming Windows 7, you can once more surf the Web without merciless pummeling, even if you don&#8217;t use antivirus.</p>
<p>Since drive-by downloads became such a big issue with Windows XP, a lot of people threw up their hands and emigrated because they couldn&#8217;t figure out what to do about it, settling for the first platform that could get them online and let them check their e-mail without getting infected (unfortunately, Apple&#8217;s market share is making it a target now, and the first PoC drive-by downloads have started to appear on the Web).  This is not an option to everyone; some people need more than an Internet appliance that can perform a small handful of misc. functions (and I&#8217;ve already heard the BootCamp and Parallels arguments umpteen times; you just waste resources and HDD space when you could simply stick to the standard).  For XP and 2K users, there are now third-party tools that can block drive-by downloads, such as Norton, McAfee, LinkScanner, and the policy sandbox GeSWall.  Users who want to free up resources could just use the techiques at <a href="http://invincible-windows.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://invincible-windows.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Macs are expensive, and you can&#8217;t upgrade the hardware like you can with a PC.  You can run any Windows application by adding Windows, or you could save money and get a PC.  Linux is one of the hardest platforms to use, out of the question for Average Joe.  @Shantanu Tushar, recommending Linux to geeks won&#8217;t get you very far, because Linux isn&#8217;t for geeks; it&#8217;s for nerds.  Geeks have lives and girlfriends, and prefer productive equipment over tinker toys; geeks prefer to get things done.</p>
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		<title>By: Shantanu Tushar</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-77265</link>
		<dc:creator>Shantanu Tushar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moment you expect Windows to be safe, secure, its gonna let you down. I&#039;ve been using it for last 8 years, and now switched to Linux. Now I know what an OS actually is. So, geeks out there, switch to GNU/Linux and feel the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moment you expect Windows to be safe, secure, its gonna let you down. I&#8217;ve been using it for last 8 years, and now switched to Linux. Now I know what an OS actually is. So, geeks out there, switch to GNU/Linux and feel the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: ebo</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-76545</link>
		<dc:creator>ebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Owen Williams:

Funny, you don&#039;t sound like someone who works with Vista machines &quot;alot.&quot;  Granted, a lot of Vista users will &quot;balk at dealing with more than two security prompts per day,&quot; probably none of them being familiar with Mac OS X or Linux.  But you make a critical mistake when you talk about alert fatigue, comparing UAC to a HIPS engine.  UAC does NOT query you when IE tries to connect to the Internet or contact an unknown IP address, or when Skype tries to act as a server, or when TinySpell tries to monitor keystrokes.  It was designed to make developers start digitally signing their drivers, and can add to security as an authentication mechanism, particularly if used with a limited account.  Bottom line, UAC only queries you for processes that require administrative privileges.  And it only queries you ONCE, each time the program is run; you won&#039;t get ten prompts while installing a new program, and ten more after the fact, as you would with a HIPS firewall like ZoneAlarm or Comodo.  Your claim to experience with Vista is suspect, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Owen Williams:</p>
<p>Funny, you don&#8217;t sound like someone who works with Vista machines &#8220;alot.&#8221;  Granted, a lot of Vista users will &#8220;balk at dealing with more than two security prompts per day,&#8221; probably none of them being familiar with Mac OS X or Linux.  But you make a critical mistake when you talk about alert fatigue, comparing UAC to a HIPS engine.  UAC does NOT query you when IE tries to connect to the Internet or contact an unknown IP address, or when Skype tries to act as a server, or when TinySpell tries to monitor keystrokes.  It was designed to make developers start digitally signing their drivers, and can add to security as an authentication mechanism, particularly if used with a limited account.  Bottom line, UAC only queries you for processes that require administrative privileges.  And it only queries you ONCE, each time the program is run; you won&#8217;t get ten prompts while installing a new program, and ten more after the fact, as you would with a HIPS firewall like ZoneAlarm or Comodo.  Your claim to experience with Vista is suspect, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Whither Microsoft? &#124; 工商法</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-75513</link>
		<dc:creator>Whither Microsoft? &#124; 工商法</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when they refused to acknowledge a (major, of course, this is Microsoft we are talking about here) security flaw that was found by some fan-boys? And then a week later, of course, they totally reversed course. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when they refused to acknowledge a (major, of course, this is Microsoft we are talking about here) security flaw that was found by some fan-boys? And then a week later, of course, they totally reversed course. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dinox</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-74194</link>
		<dc:creator>Dinox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and if you go in PC World India then you really are in the heart of programmers!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and if you go in PC World India then you really are in the heart of programmers!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Software Source Update &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Windows 7 silently elevates malware access</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/#comment-73738</link>
		<dc:creator>Software Source Update &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Windows 7 silently elevates malware access</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 02:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this flaw is not just a single point of failure,&#8221; writes security blogger Long Zheng. &#8220;The breadth of Windows executables is just too many and too [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this flaw is not just a single point of failure,&#8221; writes security blogger Long Zheng. &#8220;The breadth of Windows executables is just too many and too [...]</p>
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