Comments on: Improvements to fonts in Windows 7 http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/ All the stuff about Microsoft and technology you haven't read anywhere else. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Katharine http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-149457 Katharine Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:37:02 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-149457 What I would like to do is hide (or delete) those fonts that are not required in English, such as Indian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. I have nothing against these languages, but they clutter up the drop-down menus of my applications such as InDesign, Coreldraw and even Word. I have ticked the box "hide fonts based on my language settings" but they still show up in drop-down menus. The link above just made my eyes glaze over... Any suggestions would be appreciated. What I would like to do is hide (or delete) those fonts that are not required in English, such as Indian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. I have nothing against these languages, but they clutter up the drop-down menus of my applications such as InDesign, Coreldraw and even Word. I have ticked the box “hide fonts based on my language settings” but they still show up in drop-down menus. The link above just made my eyes glaze over…
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

]]> By: DerekW http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-144332 DerekW Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:06:55 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-144332 Peter, thanks for a quick response. My reference to Wordpad was simply to note that it doesn't show my printer fonts whilst Office apps such as Word do. The latest documentation states that the CF_PRINTERFONTS flag is obsolete except to persuade the dialog to show the font type description (such as This is an OpenType font...). I can certainly see all of the printer fonts by enumerating them "manaually" via EnumFontFamiliesEx - my question is why can I no longer use the Choose Fonts dialog to see these fonts with Windows 7, whereas I could with the same app running under Windows Vista (and earlier)? Peter, thanks for a quick response. My reference to Wordpad was simply to note that it doesn’t show my printer fonts whilst Office apps such as Word do. The latest documentation states that the CF_PRINTERFONTS flag is obsolete except to persuade the dialog to show the font type description (such as This is an OpenType font…).
I can certainly see all of the printer fonts by enumerating them “manaually” via EnumFontFamiliesEx – my question is why can I no longer use the Choose Fonts dialog to see these fonts with Windows 7, whereas I could with the same app running under Windows Vista (and earlier)?

]]> By: Peter http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-144331 Peter Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:10:52 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-144331 Are you needing support in Wordpad or are you using the dialog in your own app? Have you checked out the CF_PRINTERFONTS flag? (See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms646832(VS.85).aspx) Are you needing support in Wordpad or are you using the dialog in your own app? Have you checked out the CF_PRINTERFONTS flag? (See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms646832(VS.85).aspx)

]]> By: DerekW http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-144330 DerekW Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:23:28 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-144330 Peter, you seem to know a lot about font stuff! I have a problem which only occurs in Windows 7 (32 and 64bit) where I cannot see printer fonts from within e.g, Wordpad, which appears to use the Common Font Dialog but can see them in Word 2007 which clearly still uses it's own fon dialog. The printer in question, btw is a Datamax I-4280 which has built in barcode font which I need to access from my own application which uses the Common Font Dialog. If I enumerate the fonts (with EnumFontFamiliesEx) I see all the fonts (including the printer fonts). Does this mean I too must write a Font Picker dialog? Apologies to Long Zheng if this comment is out of place here but I'm getting desperate and Peter seems to be the guru! Peter, you seem to know a lot about font stuff! I have a problem which only occurs in Windows 7 (32 and 64bit) where I cannot see printer fonts from within e.g, Wordpad, which appears to use the Common Font Dialog but can see them in Word 2007 which clearly still uses it’s own fon dialog. The printer in question, btw is a Datamax I-4280 which has built in barcode font which I need to access from my own application which uses the Common Font Dialog. If I enumerate the fonts (with EnumFontFamiliesEx) I see all the fonts (including the printer fonts). Does this mean I too must write a Font Picker dialog?

Apologies to Long Zheng if this comment is out of place here but I’m getting desperate and Peter seems to be the guru!

]]> By: FontBook, gestor de fuentes avanzado con un diseño atractivo | Linkeando http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-140825 FontBook, gestor de fuentes avanzado con un diseño atractivo | Linkeando Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:53:07 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-140825 [...] y para colmo el diálogo de instalar fuentes permanecía intacto desde Windows 3.1. Con Windows 7 eso cambió, y por fin contamos con un sistema de gestión de fuentes acorde a las necesidades de los [...] [...] y para colmo el diálogo de instalar fuentes permanecía intacto desde Windows 3.1. Con Windows 7 eso cambió, y por fin contamos con un sistema de gestión de fuentes acorde a las necesidades de los [...]

]]> By: Peter http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-140170 Peter Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:30:56 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-140170 @fontaholic Can you point me to where Microsoft has "trumpeted" that feature? I'm not aware of any places where MS has called out and promoted this feature. (Knowing the limitations of this feature, it's appropriate to keep the caveats in mind when discussing it.) You mention Office 2007; I assume you must mean Office 2010, since Office 2007 shipped well before Windows 7. Even so, your point is valid. You can't really blame the application developers for not taking advantage of this feature since there were no new programming interfaces (APIs) published in Windows 7 for them to leverage this functionality. Thus, applications that make use of the CHOOSEFONT common dialog and the font controls in the Ribbon automatically get the "show"/"hide" font behaviour, but applications that interact directly with GDI to enumerate fonts that are loaded and then present their own font-picker user interface do not. This is one of those known limitations that I referred to above. It was certainly a desire to make the functionality available to such applications, but there were some valid reasons why it was not done in Windows 7. A key reason is that Windows was transitioning to new graphics/text infrastructure (D2D and DirectWrite), whereas this functionality is built on GDI and legacy frameworks like CHOOSEFONT. It wouldn't have made sense to add programming interfaces that get started on a path to deprecation in the next release. In the mean time, existing third-party tools for font management should still work. So, those that need advanced font management functionality still have the same good solutions they are familiar with and have been relying on for years. @fontaholic

Can you point me to where Microsoft has “trumpeted” that feature? I’m not aware of any places where MS has called out and promoted this feature.

(Knowing the limitations of this feature, it’s appropriate to keep the caveats in mind when discussing it.)

You mention Office 2007; I assume you must mean Office 2010, since Office 2007 shipped well before Windows 7. Even so, your point is valid.

You can’t really blame the application developers for not taking advantage of this feature since there were no new programming interfaces (APIs) published in Windows 7 for them to leverage this functionality. Thus, applications that make use of the CHOOSEFONT common dialog and the font controls in the Ribbon automatically get the “show”/”hide” font behaviour, but applications that interact directly with GDI to enumerate fonts that are loaded and then present their own font-picker user interface do not. This is one of those known limitations that I referred to above.

It was certainly a desire to make the functionality available to such applications, but there were some valid reasons why it was not done in Windows 7. A key reason is that Windows was transitioning to new graphics/text infrastructure (D2D and DirectWrite), whereas this functionality is built on GDI and legacy frameworks like CHOOSEFONT. It wouldn’t have made sense to add programming interfaces that get started on a path to deprecation in the next release.

In the mean time, existing third-party tools for font management should still work. So, those that need advanced font management functionality still have the same good solutions they are familiar with and have been relying on for years.

]]> By: fontaholic http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-140165 fontaholic Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:04:52 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-140165 It is really too bad that Microsoft trumpeted the new "font hiding" feature in Windows 7 but in fact, neither Office 2007 nor OpenOffice.org 3.3 use it. While Microsoft may not be to blame for OOo not being able to "hide" fonts, there can really be no excuse for Office 2007 not having been updated yet to employ this innovation. It is really too bad that Microsoft trumpeted the new “font hiding” feature in Windows 7 but in fact, neither Office 2007 nor OpenOffice.org 3.3 use it.

While Microsoft may not be to blame for OOo not being able to “hide” fonts, there can really be no excuse for Office 2007 not having been updated yet to employ this innovation.

]]> By: VAPcorp.es sites | Blog | FontBook, gestor de fuentes avanzado con un diseño atractivo http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-139660 VAPcorp.es sites | Blog | FontBook, gestor de fuentes avanzado con un diseño atractivo Tue, 01 Mar 2011 02:00:28 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-139660 [...] y para colmo el diálogo de instalar fuentes permanecía intacto desde Windows 3.1. Con Windows 7 eso cambió, y por fin contamos con un sistema de gestión de fuentes acorde a las necesidades de los [...] [...] y para colmo el diálogo de instalar fuentes permanecía intacto desde Windows 3.1. Con Windows 7 eso cambió, y por fin contamos con un sistema de gestión de fuentes acorde a las necesidades de los [...]

]]> By: FontBook, gestor de fuentes avanzado con un diseño atractivo http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-139638 FontBook, gestor de fuentes avanzado con un diseño atractivo Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:44:46 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-139638 [...] y para colmo el diálogo de instalar fuentes permanecía intacto desde Windows 3.1. Con Windows 7 eso cambió, y por fin contamos con un sistema de gestión de fuentes acorde a las necesidades de los [...] [...] y para colmo el diálogo de instalar fuentes permanecía intacto desde Windows 3.1. Con Windows 7 eso cambió, y por fin contamos con un sistema de gestión de fuentes acorde a las necesidades de los [...]

]]> By: Peter http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081030/improvements-to-fonts-in-windows-7/#comment-138619 Peter Fri, 28 Jan 2011 23:15:54 +0000 http://www.istartedsomething.com/?p=3244#comment-138619 Sorry about that. The account wasn't fully initialized. Please try again. Sorry about that. The account wasn’t fully initialized. Please try again.

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