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		<title>By: RyanLM</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080612/ux-taskforce-theyre-listening/#comment-62561</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing I forgot to add about explorer, that actually just happened.

Unable to delete files with even a 90% success rate.

For example, I had shared a folder for someone else to grab a file, granted it was vista to vista so that didnt work either, not even a login prompt just a flat out &quot;denied&quot;, I FTP&#039;d it.  Went to delete the folder - BOOM - &quot;Folder In Use&quot;.  Its not shared, now actually its empty.  Its not open anywhere, but it is in use... Rebooting is the only way I have found to fix this.  This gets terrible with really large files (4gb or so), try coping them over a network. Always in use....

WTH is going on with File sharing anyway?  I have public sharing on so &quot;Anyone&quot; in the network can view.  But when a machine connects they get flat out denied.  NOT EVEN A login prompt.  Now, if I make an account with the same name as their username on the other computer, they do get a login prompt.  THAT IS STUPID.  Over protective....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing I forgot to add about explorer, that actually just happened.</p>
<p>Unable to delete files with even a 90% success rate.</p>
<p>For example, I had shared a folder for someone else to grab a file, granted it was vista to vista so that didnt work either, not even a login prompt just a flat out &#8220;denied&#8221;, I FTP&#8217;d it.  Went to delete the folder &#8211; BOOM &#8211; &#8220;Folder In Use&#8221;.  Its not shared, now actually its empty.  Its not open anywhere, but it is in use&#8230; Rebooting is the only way I have found to fix this.  This gets terrible with really large files (4gb or so), try coping them over a network. Always in use&#8230;.</p>
<p>WTH is going on with File sharing anyway?  I have public sharing on so &#8220;Anyone&#8221; in the network can view.  But when a machine connects they get flat out denied.  NOT EVEN A login prompt.  Now, if I make an account with the same name as their username on the other computer, they do get a login prompt.  THAT IS STUPID.  Over protective&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: david blevins</title>
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		<dc:creator>david blevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This covers more than just the Vista &quot;OS&quot; but every program should remember (and allow you to change &quot;permanently&quot; its defaults) you changed the &quot;options&quot; the last time thru any dialog box.  For example, in Excel you can &quot;Paste Special&quot; but the defaults for PS make it the same as regular Paste and it never remembers you&#039;ve selected something different.

Secondly, and maybe more important, MS must realize there is more than one way to accomplish a task/function and let the user select/modify/replace the they set as the default - I&#039;ve too many users that moved back to Office 2003 &quot;cause the ribbon was just too hard to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This covers more than just the Vista &#8220;OS&#8221; but every program should remember (and allow you to change &#8220;permanently&#8221; its defaults) you changed the &#8220;options&#8221; the last time thru any dialog box.  For example, in Excel you can &#8220;Paste Special&#8221; but the defaults for PS make it the same as regular Paste and it never remembers you&#8217;ve selected something different.</p>
<p>Secondly, and maybe more important, MS must realize there is more than one way to accomplish a task/function and let the user select/modify/replace the they set as the default &#8211; I&#8217;ve too many users that moved back to Office 2003 &#8220;cause the ribbon was just too hard to use.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanlm</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080612/ux-taskforce-theyre-listening/#comment-62513</link>
		<dc:creator>ryanlm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also (sorry this should be my last comment) I do not think Explorer at this point is more feature rich than the OSX Finder.  I mean, what really has changed since XP? Tried to make it multithreaded, but failed at that still lags often, search &quot;acts&quot; just like it did before, etc.

OSX has a much nicer side bar, it has many more ways to view the content, it also has the quick preview thing which is really really nice.  Although I think that iTunes album animation look is just dumb.  But again, the quick preview thing is not, that rocks. So quick!  I can view all my pictures one by one before Vista even gets a slideshow of pictures started.  (wth is going on there anyway, screen flashes, pauses, etc then the pictures start - should just start up instantly).

Also OSX has and uses native support for drive images, dmgs.  Very very useful.

The only thing that I personally really like about the vista explorer is the new address bar, and how the breakcrumbs can be dropped down - that is fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also (sorry this should be my last comment) I do not think Explorer at this point is more feature rich than the OSX Finder.  I mean, what really has changed since XP? Tried to make it multithreaded, but failed at that still lags often, search &#8220;acts&#8221; just like it did before, etc.</p>
<p>OSX has a much nicer side bar, it has many more ways to view the content, it also has the quick preview thing which is really really nice.  Although I think that iTunes album animation look is just dumb.  But again, the quick preview thing is not, that rocks. So quick!  I can view all my pictures one by one before Vista even gets a slideshow of pictures started.  (wth is going on there anyway, screen flashes, pauses, etc then the pictures start &#8211; should just start up instantly).</p>
<p>Also OSX has and uses native support for drive images, dmgs.  Very very useful.</p>
<p>The only thing that I personally really like about the vista explorer is the new address bar, and how the breakcrumbs can be dropped down &#8211; that is fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanlm</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080612/ux-taskforce-theyre-listening/#comment-62512</link>
		<dc:creator>ryanlm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on bad search:

If there is a search box on the upper right of a window and a list of items in the middle - it should always begin by filtering that list.  In some places it does this, in other places, well it doesnt.  Take the control panel for example.  Search boxs helps you find the right applet.  Good, but say you pick on that has a ton of tiems? Like File Types.  Type in doc and it starts looking for a control panel applet to match, instead of filtering the list.  Now, the Uninstall Programs screen does filter the list.  Some work right, other dont, all feels like its held together with tape, cheap tape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on bad search:</p>
<p>If there is a search box on the upper right of a window and a list of items in the middle &#8211; it should always begin by filtering that list.  In some places it does this, in other places, well it doesnt.  Take the control panel for example.  Search boxs helps you find the right applet.  Good, but say you pick on that has a ton of tiems? Like File Types.  Type in doc and it starts looking for a control panel applet to match, instead of filtering the list.  Now, the Uninstall Programs screen does filter the list.  Some work right, other dont, all feels like its held together with tape, cheap tape.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanlm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanlm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon : &quot; What do you not like about Windows Explorer in Vista?&quot;

Well, I will give you my list in no particular order, but I would bet the first will be the ones that annoy me the most.

1) Folder Settings do not stick, at all, ever.  I set a folder to how I want to view it, close it, open it - good.  Come back to it an hour later, Explorer has decided its now a list view, with only &quot;name&quot; as a column.  Or, perhaps Explorer dediced folders like my C Drive are &quot;Pictures and Videos&quot;.   The check box that says &quot;Remember each folders&#039;s view settings&quot; is non functional.

2) Still WAY to laggy.  When I open it it should show what it can instantly, not a blank empty window while it is looking at my 8 in 1 card reader, 4 mapped drives, and 3 regular drives.  Open when I say open, and put a spinner or something on  things you are waiting for - that is much more acceptable.  And, help me god if as I drag a folder over explorer with treeview enabled and I happen to cross a network drive, the whole thing will just lock for about 5 seconds.

3) Color of Toolbar should match the color theme I have picked.  Perhapes I dont like blue?  Should have when picking color, a second color so we can still have a nice color fade from left to right.

4) No way to color or highlight a folder, all yellow, this is a nice feature of OSX, and as a cool idea I am giving a way now - on vista since we have that colored toolbar - it would be nice if I colored a folder &quot;Red&quot; the toolbar also was colored to match (pick an nice second color to fade to for me here) - dont change Glass though.  That should stick as theme color.  Now I can easily spot this folder when it is open too!  OSX only does this with an ugly behind the text highlight on the folder - I would say just tint the folder instead, that would look much better!

5) folder view is worthless. 

6) Favorite links - see to change at times but, apple has done this whole bar WAY better.  scales better, and is far more usefull with network drives.

7) Thick status bar in the bottom doesnt give me size of folder now for some reason.  It is very thick for showing almost nothing most of the time (yes I know its resizable, but as I have said earlier, vista will just change it back at some point).  Also, sometimes when you click on it it focus the window, in other places it does not.  Dont get it.

8) Previous version button removed from toolbar - dumb - was a great feature most will now never see.

Brandon : &quot;For both search and browse scenarios.&quot;

Maybe on par with the second, maybe..  But search?  no. Seriously search is terrible in vista.  The UI for search in vista is just so bad, I only use it for filtering start menu items.  The advanced UI is rigid and I cannot stack filters which is so easy on OSX.  Also the results are poor, very very poor.  Over all I would give vista a 5 out of 10 for search UI and a 4 out of 10 for the results.  Granted it could just be how they are represented that makes the results seem so useless.  so so so sad.

There is a task force item about this already:
http://www.istartedsomething.com/taskforce/view.php?id=90</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon : &#8221; What do you not like about Windows Explorer in Vista?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I will give you my list in no particular order, but I would bet the first will be the ones that annoy me the most.</p>
<p>1) Folder Settings do not stick, at all, ever.  I set a folder to how I want to view it, close it, open it &#8211; good.  Come back to it an hour later, Explorer has decided its now a list view, with only &#8220;name&#8221; as a column.  Or, perhaps Explorer dediced folders like my C Drive are &#8220;Pictures and Videos&#8221;.   The check box that says &#8220;Remember each folders&#8217;s view settings&#8221; is non functional.</p>
<p>2) Still WAY to laggy.  When I open it it should show what it can instantly, not a blank empty window while it is looking at my 8 in 1 card reader, 4 mapped drives, and 3 regular drives.  Open when I say open, and put a spinner or something on  things you are waiting for &#8211; that is much more acceptable.  And, help me god if as I drag a folder over explorer with treeview enabled and I happen to cross a network drive, the whole thing will just lock for about 5 seconds.</p>
<p>3) Color of Toolbar should match the color theme I have picked.  Perhapes I dont like blue?  Should have when picking color, a second color so we can still have a nice color fade from left to right.</p>
<p>4) No way to color or highlight a folder, all yellow, this is a nice feature of OSX, and as a cool idea I am giving a way now &#8211; on vista since we have that colored toolbar &#8211; it would be nice if I colored a folder &#8220;Red&#8221; the toolbar also was colored to match (pick an nice second color to fade to for me here) &#8211; dont change Glass though.  That should stick as theme color.  Now I can easily spot this folder when it is open too!  OSX only does this with an ugly behind the text highlight on the folder &#8211; I would say just tint the folder instead, that would look much better!</p>
<p>5) folder view is worthless. </p>
<p>6) Favorite links &#8211; see to change at times but, apple has done this whole bar WAY better.  scales better, and is far more usefull with network drives.</p>
<p>7) Thick status bar in the bottom doesnt give me size of folder now for some reason.  It is very thick for showing almost nothing most of the time (yes I know its resizable, but as I have said earlier, vista will just change it back at some point).  Also, sometimes when you click on it it focus the window, in other places it does not.  Dont get it.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Previous version button removed from toolbar &#8211; dumb &#8211; was a great feature most will now never see.</p>
<p>Brandon : &#8220;For both search and browse scenarios.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe on par with the second, maybe..  But search?  no. Seriously search is terrible in vista.  The UI for search in vista is just so bad, I only use it for filtering start menu items.  The advanced UI is rigid and I cannot stack filters which is so easy on OSX.  Also the results are poor, very very poor.  Over all I would give vista a 5 out of 10 for search UI and a 4 out of 10 for the results.  Granted it could just be how they are represented that makes the results seem so useless.  so so so sad.</p>
<p>There is a task force item about this already:<br />
<a href="http://www.istartedsomething.com/taskforce/view.php?id=90" rel="nofollow">http://www.istartedsomething.com/taskforce/view.php?id=90</a></p>
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		<title>By: keff</title>
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		<dc:creator>keff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon: nice to see a MS guy here, imho, explorer is now very nice and usable, but I find it hard to understand how it decides on display mode for a folder - I would expect that when I set the folder item display mode to &#039;list&#039; (from anywhere - explorer, openfile dialog), it would appear always as list, which it doesn&#039;t (especially for subfolders of My Documents). And I would welcome a feature to force selected display mode to all subfolders as well (recursively except for symlinks) - it could be well hiden, but it should be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon: nice to see a MS guy here, imho, explorer is now very nice and usable, but I find it hard to understand how it decides on display mode for a folder &#8211; I would expect that when I set the folder item display mode to &#8216;list&#8217; (from anywhere &#8211; explorer, openfile dialog), it would appear always as list, which it doesn&#8217;t (especially for subfolders of My Documents). And I would welcome a feature to force selected display mode to all subfolders as well (recursively except for symlinks) &#8211; it could be well hiden, but it should be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Paddock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Paddock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>directimpact - What do you not like about Windows Explorer in Vista?  I know it has its faults, and we&#039;re working hard to improve it, but I believe it is far more functional and feature-rich than, for example, the Finder.  For both search and browse scenarios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>directimpact &#8211; What do you not like about Windows Explorer in Vista?  I know it has its faults, and we&#8217;re working hard to improve it, but I believe it is far more functional and feature-rich than, for example, the Finder.  For both search and browse scenarios.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve been praised here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/frankarr/archive/2008/06/20/at-home-with-rigo.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve been praised here:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/frankarr/archive/2008/06/20/at-home-with-rigo.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/frankarr/archive/2008/06/20/at-home-with-rigo.as px</a></p>
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		<title>By: directimpact</title>
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		<dc:creator>directimpact</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well to be fair to  him the Vista shell does kinda blow, but he&#039;s got different reasons for it mine are more at..specially explorer .. not just in it aethetics but just lack of decent featuresexplorer is just  *jaw droppingly bad* , and yet such a common area of file management.. then the save/open dialogs of immense shitness and.

quite frankyl mosy of these vista ux taskforce submissions are kinda weak and just little patch up changes to things really isn&#039;t the solution to most of them like most of these submission sollutions ask for... most are pretty weak.. 80% of suggested sollutions i&#039;d say are only about addressing small issues, when really much more should be done to improve even these little areas of suckyness... I get the impression MS just doesn&#039;t have what it takes anymore to make much better changes to areas of its software for fear of stepping on anyones toes.. quite franky i woudln&#039;t care if they made changes that pissed someone else off if the changes were really beneficial to the end users.. thats how progress is made.. afteral end users aren&#039;t developers and most developers seem to be from noob skool and don&#039;t have a friggin clue. MS needs to get better at the balancing act of improving its junk or leaving in junk because some third party software/developer. I support the first point only if MS actually makes a good job of the changes.. otherwise they might aswel not bother which is most likely what they&#039;ve been doing so far which is just lazy. In Vista case they&#039;ve stepped on some developer toes and most of there so called improvements to the OS have been shit..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well to be fair to  him the Vista shell does kinda blow, but he&#8217;s got different reasons for it mine are more at..specially explorer .. not just in it aethetics but just lack of decent featuresexplorer is just  *jaw droppingly bad* , and yet such a common area of file management.. then the save/open dialogs of immense shitness and.</p>
<p>quite frankyl mosy of these vista ux taskforce submissions are kinda weak and just little patch up changes to things really isn&#8217;t the solution to most of them like most of these submission sollutions ask for&#8230; most are pretty weak.. 80% of suggested sollutions i&#8217;d say are only about addressing small issues, when really much more should be done to improve even these little areas of suckyness&#8230; I get the impression MS just doesn&#8217;t have what it takes anymore to make much better changes to areas of its software for fear of stepping on anyones toes.. quite franky i woudln&#8217;t care if they made changes that pissed someone else off if the changes were really beneficial to the end users.. thats how progress is made.. afteral end users aren&#8217;t developers and most developers seem to be from noob skool and don&#8217;t have a friggin clue. MS needs to get better at the balancing act of improving its junk or leaving in junk because some third party software/developer. I support the first point only if MS actually makes a good job of the changes.. otherwise they might aswel not bother which is most likely what they&#8217;ve been doing so far which is just lazy. In Vista case they&#8217;ve stepped on some developer toes and most of there so called improvements to the OS have been shit..</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andreas
Where did I say I didn&#039;t understand his post? What I said was it has nothing to do with this article. It goes from him talking about Word 95, to being proud of himself for making streamlined XP installs and being able to install third party shells a-la Litestep, to claiming MS (or I&#039;m sure you&#039;d say M$) is ignorant if the &quot;XP Exploder&quot; can&#039;t run on top of Vista, to claiming he could write his own XP shell for Vista, and finally to OMG JUST USE LINUX!

I&#039;m truly the biggest idiot ever because I questioned how his comment related to the article or the UX Taskforce website? I don&#039;t even know what to say about that. I&#039;d suggest calming down, maybe having a drink or some sex, and trying not to be so insulting. If he&#039;s claiming that all the issues tracked on the UX Taskforce website could be fixed by dropping in some other shell (that he would write?), that was the clarification I was looking for. Of course, if that&#039;s the case, I think that&#039;s pretty far-fetched.

Have a great day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andreas<br />
Where did I say I didn&#8217;t understand his post? What I said was it has nothing to do with this article. It goes from him talking about Word 95, to being proud of himself for making streamlined XP installs and being able to install third party shells a-la Litestep, to claiming MS (or I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d say M$) is ignorant if the &#8220;XP Exploder&#8221; can&#8217;t run on top of Vista, to claiming he could write his own XP shell for Vista, and finally to OMG JUST USE LINUX!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m truly the biggest idiot ever because I questioned how his comment related to the article or the UX Taskforce website? I don&#8217;t even know what to say about that. I&#8217;d suggest calming down, maybe having a drink or some sex, and trying not to be so insulting. If he&#8217;s claiming that all the issues tracked on the UX Taskforce website could be fixed by dropping in some other shell (that he would write?), that was the clarification I was looking for. Of course, if that&#8217;s the case, I think that&#8217;s pretty far-fetched.</p>
<p>Have a great day <img src='http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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