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		<title>By: PotatoJ</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-138535</link>
		<dc:creator>PotatoJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think the ribbon is an amazing improvement, and it actually takes fewer keystrokes for me to do the things I want (since everything is accessible from the ribbon, and not menus). If you do want custom commands, there is a Quick Access Toolbar too :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think the ribbon is an amazing improvement, and it actually takes fewer keystrokes for me to do the things I want (since everything is accessible from the ribbon, and not menus). If you do want custom commands, there is a Quick Access Toolbar too <img src='http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: WeaselSpleen</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-126081</link>
		<dc:creator>WeaselSpleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, even Bill Gates, when he first saw the ribbon interface said &quot;Where&#039;s the classic interface option.&quot;
Well it&#039;s now THREE YEARS LATER and guess what? I&#039;m still not able to come close to the same level of efficiency I had before. 
The one and only thing that made Word a usable word processor was the highly customizable user interface. Aside from that, it was shit. Now it&#039;s shit without the interface.

And I can&#039;t believe some of the dumbass bullshit reasons people are giving for why the ribbon is good.
Like &quot;Exploratory learning?&quot; What the fuck kind of bullshit buzzword nonsense is that? If you have to hunt for stuff, you are going slower. Period. There is no argument possible, unless you are batshit fucking crazy. There&#039;s no twisted take on reality in which having to hunt for things in the interface is an improvement in efficiency. 

The ribbon interface as a tool for novices to learn about features makes some sense. Forcing every user, including those who&#039;ve worked with the product for a decade or more to suddenly have to go back to kindergarten is just stupid. Please introduce me to the fucktard who made that decision, so I can call him a fucktard to his face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, even Bill Gates, when he first saw the ribbon interface said &#8220;Where&#8217;s the classic interface option.&#8221;<br />
Well it&#8217;s now THREE YEARS LATER and guess what? I&#8217;m still not able to come close to the same level of efficiency I had before.<br />
The one and only thing that made Word a usable word processor was the highly customizable user interface. Aside from that, it was shit. Now it&#8217;s shit without the interface.</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t believe some of the dumbass bullshit reasons people are giving for why the ribbon is good.<br />
Like &#8220;Exploratory learning?&#8221; What the fuck kind of bullshit buzzword nonsense is that? If you have to hunt for stuff, you are going slower. Period. There is no argument possible, unless you are batshit fucking crazy. There&#8217;s no twisted take on reality in which having to hunt for things in the interface is an improvement in efficiency. </p>
<p>The ribbon interface as a tool for novices to learn about features makes some sense. Forcing every user, including those who&#8217;ve worked with the product for a decade or more to suddenly have to go back to kindergarten is just stupid. Please introduce me to the fucktard who made that decision, so I can call him a fucktard to his face.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Maltz</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-121283</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Maltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Office 2007 Ribbon SUX.  It takes me about 30-50% more keystrokes to do things in 2007 than it did in 2003.  The added functionality in 2007 is nice but I would like the option of going back to the 2003 UI.  Also, I had written NUMEROUS macros IN 2003 which I have finally been able to get working in 2007; however, the VERY limited choice of icons and NO Icon Editor is INTOLERABLE!!!

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Office 2007 Ribbon SUX.  It takes me about 30-50% more keystrokes to do things in 2007 than it did in 2003.  The added functionality in 2007 is nice but I would like the option of going back to the 2003 UI.  Also, I had written NUMEROUS macros IN 2003 which I have finally been able to get working in 2007; however, the VERY limited choice of icons and NO Icon Editor is INTOLERABLE!!!</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: The development of the interface of Office 2007 &#124; Edge Type</title>
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		<dc:creator>The development of the interface of Office 2007 &#124; Edge Type</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-74685</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 09:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jorge:
Sorry, but I still have to disagree with you about the Ribbon.

I have to use Word 2007 regularly for work, including the part of it that Outlook 2007 uses to edit emails.  I still cannot come close to the level of productivity I used to have when using the previous versions of Office.  Things that used to take only one or two clicks using a toolbar/menu interface now take three or more clicks.... and that&#039;s once I figure out where it&#039;s been hidden.   It is a colossal waste of time to have to constantly hunt for things.

I used to be able to make custom toolbars that I could load up with my most used commands, and then float that near where I am working.   The addition of that capability back in Office 97 was a huge boost in productivity and usability.   Now that we have lost that ability, the closest thing is the Quick Access (ha!) Toolbar at the top left.... but you can&#039;t tear it off and put it near where you need it, so you always have to move the mouse pointer all the way up, click, then all the way back down.  Again, big waste of time.   Yes, I know about keyboard shortcuts, and I do use some, particularly the Copy, Cut and Paste commands, but if I wanted to memorize all those different key combinations, then I may as well go back to the old WordPerfect on MS-DOS and forget about a graphical user interface. 

Now, I am not a computer-illiterate person.   I&#039;ve been  using computers since my first TI-99/4a back in the early 1980s.  For a living, I am an Access  and VB application developer.   Note also that it is because of the terrible Office 2007 user interface that we are still using Access 2000.

You seem to imply that I am stuck in the &quot;stone age&quot;.   I&#039;m not.    I am all for change when it is a change for improvement, but I have yet to see the Ribbon as an improvement.   It adds nothing of value to my use of the software, and if anything, it hinders my use of it.   I&#039;ve had to use it now for two years and I still find myself cursing it nearly every time.  I literally start to become angry at the software, because I find myself fighting it just to try and get the job done.

Just because it&#039;s new, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s better.   Look at Vista as another example of something Microsoft released, proclaiming that it was new and shiny, so it must be better, right?   It&#039;s widely considered one of the worst OS releases ever.  

I installed OpenOffice.org on my personal laptop and so far I find it does everything I need, cost me only the few minutes it required to download it and install, and there&#039;s NO RIBBON :)   Nor will there be, because it would not be permitted under the license requirements for the Fluent (or is that Effluent?) interface.

Sorry, but as far as I am concerned, it&#039;s still a big thumbs down on the Ribbon.  I&#039;ve given it two years to win me over and it has failed miserably.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jorge:<br />
Sorry, but I still have to disagree with you about the Ribbon.</p>
<p>I have to use Word 2007 regularly for work, including the part of it that Outlook 2007 uses to edit emails.  I still cannot come close to the level of productivity I used to have when using the previous versions of Office.  Things that used to take only one or two clicks using a toolbar/menu interface now take three or more clicks&#8230;. and that&#8217;s once I figure out where it&#8217;s been hidden.   It is a colossal waste of time to have to constantly hunt for things.</p>
<p>I used to be able to make custom toolbars that I could load up with my most used commands, and then float that near where I am working.   The addition of that capability back in Office 97 was a huge boost in productivity and usability.   Now that we have lost that ability, the closest thing is the Quick Access (ha!) Toolbar at the top left&#8230;. but you can&#8217;t tear it off and put it near where you need it, so you always have to move the mouse pointer all the way up, click, then all the way back down.  Again, big waste of time.   Yes, I know about keyboard shortcuts, and I do use some, particularly the Copy, Cut and Paste commands, but if I wanted to memorize all those different key combinations, then I may as well go back to the old WordPerfect on MS-DOS and forget about a graphical user interface. </p>
<p>Now, I am not a computer-illiterate person.   I&#8217;ve been  using computers since my first TI-99/4a back in the early 1980s.  For a living, I am an Access  and VB application developer.   Note also that it is because of the terrible Office 2007 user interface that we are still using Access 2000.</p>
<p>You seem to imply that I am stuck in the &#8220;stone age&#8221;.   I&#8217;m not.    I am all for change when it is a change for improvement, but I have yet to see the Ribbon as an improvement.   It adds nothing of value to my use of the software, and if anything, it hinders my use of it.   I&#8217;ve had to use it now for two years and I still find myself cursing it nearly every time.  I literally start to become angry at the software, because I find myself fighting it just to try and get the job done.</p>
<p>Just because it&#8217;s new, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s better.   Look at Vista as another example of something Microsoft released, proclaiming that it was new and shiny, so it must be better, right?   It&#8217;s widely considered one of the worst OS releases ever.  </p>
<p>I installed OpenOffice.org on my personal laptop and so far I find it does everything I need, cost me only the few minutes it required to download it and install, and there&#8217;s NO RIBBON <img src='http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    Nor will there be, because it would not be permitted under the license requirements for the Fluent (or is that Effluent?) interface.</p>
<p>Sorry, but as far as I am concerned, it&#8217;s still a big thumbs down on the Ribbon.  I&#8217;ve given it two years to win me over and it has failed miserably.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-74682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 07:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike:
And Office 2010 is coming soon! I think it&#039;s time to upgrade and leave that old ideas behind ;) Support for Office 2003 ends in 2014 :D

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&amp;p1=2488&amp;x=12&amp;y=17

BTW, I really love the Ribbon and now I appreciate it much more after having seen Jesen Harris presentation. Once you figured out how to use the Ribbon (which takes a few days to get used), it becomes a powerful tool. I followed up the Ribbon since the early betas of Office 2007 (mid 2006 I remember), and at the very beginning I refused to give it a chance, but now I really do love it! Even I see menus and toolbars like tools from Stone Age. Sorry but time goes on!

Best regards,
Jorge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike:<br />
And Office 2010 is coming soon! I think it&#8217;s time to upgrade and leave that old ideas behind <img src='http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Support for Office 2003 ends in 2014 <img src='http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&#038;p1=2488&#038;x=12&#038;y=17" rel="nofollow">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&#038;p1=2488&#038;x=12&#038;y=17</a></p>
<p>BTW, I really love the Ribbon and now I appreciate it much more after having seen Jesen Harris presentation. Once you figured out how to use the Ribbon (which takes a few days to get used), it becomes a powerful tool. I followed up the Ribbon since the early betas of Office 2007 (mid 2006 I remember), and at the very beginning I refused to give it a chance, but now I really do love it! Even I see menus and toolbars like tools from Stone Age. Sorry but time goes on!</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Jorge</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-67647</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shayne wrote:
&quot;one explores new more efficient ways to undertake a new task, just prior to tackling that specific task as well as quickly finding many new features which were previously hidden.&quot;

Sorry...  Have to disagree here.

Requiring three clicks now when it used to take one or two is NOT an improvement in efficiency.

Additionally, in Office 2007 I am NOT interested so much in finding new features previously hidden... I&#039;m more concerned with finding the features I actually need, which used to be right in front of me but are now hidden.

There&#039;s no new features in Office 2007 that I feel are worth the cost of the upgrade (or downgrade IMHO) , especially when you factor in the cost of lost productivity.  

If you want to waste valuable time trying to figure out the Ribbon, go ahead, but I&#039;ve got better things to do.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shayne wrote:<br />
&#8220;one explores new more efficient ways to undertake a new task, just prior to tackling that specific task as well as quickly finding many new features which were previously hidden.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;  Have to disagree here.</p>
<p>Requiring three clicks now when it used to take one or two is NOT an improvement in efficiency.</p>
<p>Additionally, in Office 2007 I am NOT interested so much in finding new features previously hidden&#8230; I&#8217;m more concerned with finding the features I actually need, which used to be right in front of me but are now hidden.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no new features in Office 2007 that I feel are worth the cost of the upgrade (or downgrade IMHO) , especially when you factor in the cost of lost productivity.  </p>
<p>If you want to waste valuable time trying to figure out the Ribbon, go ahead, but I&#8217;ve got better things to do.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne L. van Vlerken</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-67639</link>
		<dc:creator>Shayne L. van Vlerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Office Ribbon is a logical and timely step forward in MSO usability. Once learned users are encouraged in &quot;Exploratory Learning&quot; wherein one explores new more efficient ways to undertake a new task, just prior to tackling that specific task as well as quickly finding many new features which were previously hidden.

I do however confess that migrating from one known application or &quot;style&quot; to a new style can be daunting. This has been widely presented as a &quot;new learning curve&#039; which may impact productivity.

I have created a tool that everyone can use to ease the fear and learning curve of migration &quot;Mhelp for Microsoft Office&quot; (including video-clips for both Office 2003, 2007, Vista IE and Media Player). In this I have created thousands of brief video-clips (30 seconds to two minutes each). One video-clip demonstrates with animation (screen-shots), narration and text  a step-by-step method of learning the new Ribbon interface (or the XP toolbar). We have even included the valuable Microsoft built migration tools (2003-2007 emulator and etc.) that makes migration a breeze. Mhelp integrates directly into Office applications.

Our product is not by any means perfect but its a start and you can download it for 30 days free. Enough time to get you up and running and thereafter available by subscription at our Mhelp website.
www.MhelpICT.com

Please send us your critical (good and bad) feedback so we can improve our product.

Regards,
Shayne L. van Vlerken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Office Ribbon is a logical and timely step forward in MSO usability. Once learned users are encouraged in &#8220;Exploratory Learning&#8221; wherein one explores new more efficient ways to undertake a new task, just prior to tackling that specific task as well as quickly finding many new features which were previously hidden.</p>
<p>I do however confess that migrating from one known application or &#8220;style&#8221; to a new style can be daunting. This has been widely presented as a &#8220;new learning curve&#8217; which may impact productivity.</p>
<p>I have created a tool that everyone can use to ease the fear and learning curve of migration &#8220;Mhelp for Microsoft Office&#8221; (including video-clips for both Office 2003, 2007, Vista IE and Media Player). In this I have created thousands of brief video-clips (30 seconds to two minutes each). One video-clip demonstrates with animation (screen-shots), narration and text  a step-by-step method of learning the new Ribbon interface (or the XP toolbar). We have even included the valuable Microsoft built migration tools (2003-2007 emulator and etc.) that makes migration a breeze. Mhelp integrates directly into Office applications.</p>
<p>Our product is not by any means perfect but its a start and you can download it for 30 days free. Enough time to get you up and running and thereafter available by subscription at our Mhelp website.<br />
<a href="http://www.MhelpICT.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MhelpICT.com</a></p>
<p>Please send us your critical (good and bad) feedback so we can improve our product.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Shayne L. van Vlerken</p>
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		<title>By: David McRitchie</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-67296</link>
		<dc:creator>David McRitchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrific video that describes the long  development process that went into the Office Ribbon, which leaves only one question:  how long will it take Microsoft to admit that it is a very bad interface,  a bigger mistake than Clippy,  and how long will it take to get it all back into real menus that can used, ordered, modified and added to by users.   In other words get back to usability and user customizations without a wasting space,  and user accessibility  time (Excel stops every 15 seconds).   The only good thing I see in Excel 2007 is  that the built-in context menus were improved because the interface is so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrific video that describes the long  development process that went into the Office Ribbon, which leaves only one question:  how long will it take Microsoft to admit that it is a very bad interface,  a bigger mistake than Clippy,  and how long will it take to get it all back into real menus that can used, ordered, modified and added to by users.   In other words get back to usability and user customizations without a wasting space,  and user accessibility  time (Excel stops every 15 seconds).   The only good thing I see in Excel 2007 is  that the built-in context menus were improved because the interface is so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: mktsay123</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080308/office-2007-interface-prototypes/#comment-63668</link>
		<dc:creator>mktsay123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, guess what?
I think some of the UIs up there are better than the Ribbon.
(My dad is complaining about not finding the worksheet function...)

Maybe it&#039;s an era for &quot;UI custom changing&quot;,
just like how you can change the skins of an app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, guess what?<br />
I think some of the UIs up there are better than the Ribbon.<br />
(My dad is complaining about not finding the worksheet function&#8230;)</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s an era for &#8220;UI custom changing&#8221;,<br />
just like how you can change the skins of an app.</p>
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