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		<title>By: Off The Cuff: Cheese with that Vista Whine — Shooting at Bubbles</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-72787</link>
		<dc:creator>Off The Cuff: Cheese with that Vista Whine — Shooting at Bubbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Skype: How dare Microsoft not warn us about updates. Skype - What happened on August 16 Ed Bott - We need less whining, more complaining about Vista Ed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Crisis Communications 2.0 - The Skype is Falling &#124; PR2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-70817</link>
		<dc:creator>Crisis Communications 2.0 - The Skype is Falling &#124; PR2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Spider</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-48320</link>
		<dc:creator>Spider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an underlying fault in the design of Windows, which renders it obsolete by definition. It is trying to please the Open and the Close communities at the same time, Consumer and Producer, Server and Client etc. 
Why doesn&#039;t Apple have the same problem? 
Windows must cease being &quot;all things to all people&quot;.
Unbundle Sir Bill!, unbundle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an underlying fault in the design of Windows, which renders it obsolete by definition. It is trying to please the Open and the Close communities at the same time, Consumer and Producer, Server and Client etc.<br />
Why doesn&#8217;t Apple have the same problem?<br />
Windows must cease being &#8220;all things to all people&#8221;.<br />
Unbundle Sir Bill!, unbundle.</p>
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		<title>By: primorec</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36786</link>
		<dc:creator>primorec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, I know ...  it is very easy to be a general after the battle...

but....

I would like to ask technical experts the following question:
Why they (Skype people) don&#039;t run their network on UNIX/LINUX machines ?

Based on my 15 years of experience managing a UNIX/LUNUX network, I can say that
there is no need to re-boot UNIX/LINUX server after applying any kind of patches.
You simply re-start  certain service (including network service).
This feature is built-in every UNIX/LINUX version.

There is ONLY one case when the UNIX/LINUX server needs to be re-booted.
This is the case when the KERNEL is replaced with the newer-one or in the case of hardware failure.
ALL other changes (patches) to the server can be done 100% transparent for users.

Ask yourself why GOOGLE, Wall Street, international financial institutes etc etc run their business on UNIX/LINUX?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I know &#8230;  it is very easy to be a general after the battle&#8230;</p>
<p>but&#8230;.</p>
<p>I would like to ask technical experts the following question:<br />
Why they (Skype people) don&#8217;t run their network on UNIX/LINUX machines ?</p>
<p>Based on my 15 years of experience managing a UNIX/LUNUX network, I can say that<br />
there is no need to re-boot UNIX/LINUX server after applying any kind of patches.<br />
You simply re-start  certain service (including network service).<br />
This feature is built-in every UNIX/LINUX version.</p>
<p>There is ONLY one case when the UNIX/LINUX server needs to be re-booted.<br />
This is the case when the KERNEL is replaced with the newer-one or in the case of hardware failure.<br />
ALL other changes (patches) to the server can be done 100% transparent for users.</p>
<p>Ask yourself why GOOGLE, Wall Street, international financial institutes etc etc run their business on UNIX/LINUX?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Lin</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36557</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you guys can read this from MSRC

To give some more detail, we were contacted by Skype about this last week and have worked to help them. First, we checked to see if there were any issues introduced by the security updates that could have caused the situation, and we found that there were no issues introduced by the security updates themselves. 

Next, we checked with our Microsoft/Windows Update teams to see if there was anything unusual in this month&#039;s update in terms of reboots, size of the updates or speed of distributing the updates through Automatic Update. We confirmed that there is nothing unusual in this month&#039;s release that could have contributed to this situation. From a release point of view, this month&#039;s release followed our usual format and processes. 

Fortunately, Skype has identified the cause. As Villu Arak notes, &quot;a previously unseen software bug within the network resource allocation algorithm&quot; was the cause, and they have corrected it.

http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2007/08/20/questions-about-last-tuesday-s-release-and-skype.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you guys can read this from MSRC</p>
<p>To give some more detail, we were contacted by Skype about this last week and have worked to help them. First, we checked to see if there were any issues introduced by the security updates that could have caused the situation, and we found that there were no issues introduced by the security updates themselves. </p>
<p>Next, we checked with our Microsoft/Windows Update teams to see if there was anything unusual in this month&#8217;s update in terms of reboots, size of the updates or speed of distributing the updates through Automatic Update. We confirmed that there is nothing unusual in this month&#8217;s release that could have contributed to this situation. From a release point of view, this month&#8217;s release followed our usual format and processes. </p>
<p>Fortunately, Skype has identified the cause. As Villu Arak notes, &#8220;a previously unseen software bug within the network resource allocation algorithm&#8221; was the cause, and they have corrected it.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2007/08/20/questions-about-last-tuesday-s-release-and-skype.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2007/08/20/questions-about-last- tuesday-s-release-and-skype.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Long Zheng</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36555</link>
		<dc:creator>Long Zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RC: I agree with you that they didn&#039;t blame Windows Update, but they state Windows Update as the cause, which makes me wonder if that&#039;s the case or just a coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RC: I agree with you that they didn&#8217;t blame Windows Update, but they state Windows Update as the cause, which makes me wonder if that&#8217;s the case or just a coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: RC</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36554</link>
		<dc:creator>RC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Skype &quot;blaming&quot; Window&#039;s Update?  Didn&#039;t they say the problem was on the Skype side concerning lots of logins?  If they said, &quot;Skype was down because there was a ton of logins that the software didn&#039;t handle well.&quot;  I&#039;d wonder why all the logins.  The answer is lots of computers rebooting from a Windows Update patch.  That&#039;s not blame in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Skype &#8220;blaming&#8221; Window&#8217;s Update?  Didn&#8217;t they say the problem was on the Skype side concerning lots of logins?  If they said, &#8220;Skype was down because there was a ton of logins that the software didn&#8217;t handle well.&#8221;  I&#8217;d wonder why all the logins.  The answer is lots of computers rebooting from a Windows Update patch.  That&#8217;s not blame in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: William Luu</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36547</link>
		<dc:creator>William Luu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, take a read of the two following comments by a poster (Julian Cain) on GigaOM: 

http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-456134
http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-458753

It&#039;s interesting though, that the more we rely on these services, the more frustrated we get when they don&#039;t meet our expectations. 

Depending on the user, some will opt for web searches to find solutions, whilst others will just give up.

Just imagine if the whole network behind MSN Messenger went down worldwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, take a read of the two following comments by a poster (Julian Cain) on GigaOM: </p>
<p><a href="http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-456134" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-4561 34</a><br />
<a href="http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-458753" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-4587 53</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting though, that the more we rely on these services, the more frustrated we get when they don&#8217;t meet our expectations. </p>
<p>Depending on the user, some will opt for web searches to find solutions, whilst others will just give up.</p>
<p>Just imagine if the whole network behind MSN Messenger went down worldwide.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterMaq's Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36543</link>
		<dc:creator>MasterMaq's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Come on Skype, tell us what really happened!...&lt;/strong&gt;

As you probably know, Skype went down on Thursday and didn&#039;t resume to normal until sometime Saturday.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Come on Skype, tell us what really happened!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As you probably know, Skype went down on Thursday and didn&#8217;t resume to normal until sometime Saturday&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tobin</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070820/skype-windows-update-outage/#comment-36540</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tobin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure there&#039;s Windows Updates every Tuesday, but it doesn&#039;t force a reboot every Tuesday.

That said, you&#039;d think that even if it acted like one big Denial of Service attack that Skype would shut down their links and then gracefully bring people back onto their network, rather than collapse for 48 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there&#8217;s Windows Updates every Tuesday, but it doesn&#8217;t force a reboot every Tuesday.</p>
<p>That said, you&#8217;d think that even if it acted like one big Denial of Service attack that Skype would shut down their links and then gracefully bring people back onto their network, rather than collapse for 48 hours.</p>
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