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	<title>Comments on: You&#8217;ve got mail (updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Calvin</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-63319</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, .Mac became MobileMe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, .Mac became MobileMe.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudio</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-28159</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently using Windows Live Mail Desktop, and it&#039;s so easy and fast.I like it very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently using Windows Live Mail Desktop, and it&#8217;s so easy and fast.I like it very much.</p>
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		<title>By: firepowered</title>
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		<dc:creator>firepowered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i found this pretty funny, so i submitted it to digg (hope you dont mind):
http://digg.com/apple/PICTURE_You_ve_got_mail_Apple_vs_Microsoft</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i found this pretty funny, so i submitted it to digg (hope you dont mind):<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/apple/PICTURE_You_ve_got_mail_Apple_vs_Microsoft" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/apple/PICTURE_You_ve_got_mail_Apple_vs_Microsoft</a></p>
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		<title>By: Long Zheng</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-27529</link>
		<dc:creator>Long Zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@luis: For your information, I&#039;m a Microsoft fanboy.

I have taken screenshots of newer versions of some programs because they&#039;ve been rebranded and forked from the development branch, which means they are updated separately, documented separately and developed separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@luis: For your information, I&#8217;m a Microsoft fanboy.</p>
<p>I have taken screenshots of newer versions of some programs because they&#8217;ve been rebranded and forked from the development branch, which means they are updated separately, documented separately and developed separately.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-27527</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why dont u take multiple screenshots of every macmail version screen? and mac email product? i know theres others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why dont u take multiple screenshots of every macmail version screen? and mac email product? i know theres others</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-27526</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mate your post is lame.

i dont care much for this childish pc vs mac war.. but apple and its misguided fans are starting to really piss people off.

this mentality is wrong and useless. anything in those mac vs pc ads is virtually wrong!

nowi see this here. cripes!

you have taken a screenshot from several diffrent programs some are the same only newer versions.. then taken other models.. and propose to assume they are 1 confused package?.. why? i used macs for 4 years as a graphic designer and they are the same crap if not worse then pcs... there now i joined the battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mate your post is lame.</p>
<p>i dont care much for this childish pc vs mac war.. but apple and its misguided fans are starting to really piss people off.</p>
<p>this mentality is wrong and useless. anything in those mac vs pc ads is virtually wrong!</p>
<p>nowi see this here. cripes!</p>
<p>you have taken a screenshot from several diffrent programs some are the same only newer versions.. then taken other models.. and propose to assume they are 1 confused package?.. why? i used macs for 4 years as a graphic designer and they are the same crap if not worse then pcs&#8230; there now i joined the battle.</p>
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		<title>By: tino</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-27494</link>
		<dc:creator>tino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have found the key problem at Microsoft: they develop every thing at least three times. Just take a look at the blue &quot;back&quot; buttons in Windows Vista. You can find three different buttons. They only seem to be the same!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have found the key problem at Microsoft: they develop every thing at least three times. Just take a look at the blue &#8220;back&#8221; buttons in Windows Vista. You can find three different buttons. They only seem to be the same!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070411/got-mail-microsoft-vs-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-27489</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows Mail in Vista doesn&#039;t support Hotmail. That blows!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows Mail in Vista doesn&#8217;t support Hotmail. That blows!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always said that it was too much .... here&#039;s my opinion about these programs :

Outlook Express --&gt; not a good program.. I have always hated it !
Office Outlook (X --&gt; 2003) --&gt; just a redesign of OE, if you don&#039;t have OE you CAN&#039;T use Office Outlook.. it&#039;s a shame !
Windows Mail --&gt; A nice improvement over OE, but it&#039;s still OE and It still need MORE than redesign !
Entourage:Mac --&gt; Every Mac application is a disaster :/
Office Outlook Web Access --&gt; never heard about it !
Windows Live Hotmail --&gt; The best web mail I have ever seen ... it just needs to use more tabs and to steal the mail regrouping as GMAIL does.. but this web mail is really perfect !
Office Live Mail --&gt; never heard about it . I supposed that it is like Office Outlook Web Access.. isn&#039;t it ?

Windows Live Mail Desktop --&gt; the PERFECT light mail application ! Quick, beautiful, simple, easy ... the only thing missing in WLMD is the use of list of addresses .. we have a list of address in our university .. but we can&#039;t use it in WLMD .. but we can in OE and OOutlook.

And the mac application ? Never seen .. never use .. and I hope I will never have to use it !

Gmail --&gt; a really big improvement as web mail ... but everything new since 2 years in this web mail .. is simply UNUSEFUL, SAD and HEAVY... like firefox and eclipse ... good applications become bad with time ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always said that it was too much &#8230;. here&#8217;s my opinion about these programs :</p>
<p>Outlook Express &#8211;&gt; not a good program.. I have always hated it !<br />
Office Outlook (X &#8211;&gt; 2003) &#8211;&gt; just a redesign of OE, if you don&#8217;t have OE you CAN&#8217;T use Office Outlook.. it&#8217;s a shame !<br />
Windows Mail &#8211;&gt; A nice improvement over OE, but it&#8217;s still OE and It still need MORE than redesign !<br />
Entourage:Mac &#8211;&gt; Every Mac application is a disaster :/<br />
Office Outlook Web Access &#8211;&gt; never heard about it !<br />
Windows Live Hotmail &#8211;&gt; The best web mail I have ever seen &#8230; it just needs to use more tabs and to steal the mail regrouping as GMAIL does.. but this web mail is really perfect !<br />
Office Live Mail &#8211;&gt; never heard about it . I supposed that it is like Office Outlook Web Access.. isn&#8217;t it ?</p>
<p>Windows Live Mail Desktop &#8211;&gt; the PERFECT light mail application ! Quick, beautiful, simple, easy &#8230; the only thing missing in WLMD is the use of list of addresses .. we have a list of address in our university .. but we can&#8217;t use it in WLMD .. but we can in OE and OOutlook.</p>
<p>And the mac application ? Never seen .. never use .. and I hope I will never have to use it !</p>
<p>Gmail &#8211;&gt; a really big improvement as web mail &#8230; but everything new since 2 years in this web mail .. is simply UNUSEFUL, SAD and HEAVY&#8230; like firefox and eclipse &#8230; good applications become bad with time ..</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s only 1 thing I see wrong with the industry. Mail filtering and handling is always proprietary, so it is extremely difficult to write anti-spam or anti-phishing products that work for a wide audience. 

Webmail products need to settle on a standard mail handling mechanism - whether that be some AJAX API or plain old WebDAV. I should be able to write a filter that talks the GMail, Live Mail, and Yahoo Mail all using the same code.

Desktop clients need to share common mail handling interfaces, or at least make their interfaces extremely simple. MAPI is not simple. OE&#039;s hidden API&#039;s are not simple. Hacking XUL Javascript is not simple. The interfaces need to call code and say, &quot;Here&#039;s a new message. Tell me what to do with it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s only 1 thing I see wrong with the industry. Mail filtering and handling is always proprietary, so it is extremely difficult to write anti-spam or anti-phishing products that work for a wide audience. </p>
<p>Webmail products need to settle on a standard mail handling mechanism &#8211; whether that be some AJAX API or plain old WebDAV. I should be able to write a filter that talks the GMail, Live Mail, and Yahoo Mail all using the same code.</p>
<p>Desktop clients need to share common mail handling interfaces, or at least make their interfaces extremely simple. MAPI is not simple. OE&#8217;s hidden API&#8217;s are not simple. Hacking XUL Javascript is not simple. The interfaces need to call code and say, &#8220;Here&#8217;s a new message. Tell me what to do with it.&#8221;</p>
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